I think it’s got to start with some personal values. And so the first one for me is never judge a book by its cover and that’s because as a child, well as a young adult, I was a punk and I got judged all the time People crossed the road to avoid me, but they didn’t know me, they didn’t know what I was like they just looked at what I looked like. So from that very early stage I always thought never judge a book by it’s cover and therefore that means you are never trying to be judgmental.  So that value runs deep in me.

I think then the second one is a very strong belief in all diversity. I want different people with different experiences because of the brain that they bring, the value that they bring to what ever we are doing.

So I think those things run deep. I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily about women, it’s about anybody. That if you are not judging and if you are valuing the diversity then you are looking to make sure you have those attributes in your teams in who you work with, in how you put things together. I would say it’s got to come from you, and is in you, and in what you value. You can’t be something you create and add on to you because there is a tick box. It’s got to be actually how you feel and how you value your beliefs.